[Reader-list] Action Alert - Communal harmony activistsarrested in Karnataka - Write in the the chief Minister

Tue Dec 12 22:28:04 IST 2006

a couple of things i find fascinating about this exchange...

first, that people choose to write to vedavati off the list and that
vedavati then brings these emails onto the list as though to 'out'
people's rather personal articulations. hmmm...the complex dynamics of
virtual communities.

second, a peculiar irony - the bababudangiri thingy is, as far as i
understand, about a temple and a sufi shrine existing in such a way
that seeing them as being dictinct of each other is necessarily an act
of violence. this perhaps to the extent that saying that the 'co-exist'
doesn't make sense, for that presumes the possibility of independent
existence. what is strange about the present exchange, then, is that it
treats 'hindu' and 'muslim' as the core categories, as dual categories,
without facing the challenge that this shrine/temple poses - that the
essential distinction between 'hindu' and 'muslim', or perhaps that
these identities are central to the negotiations between people who
visit this place - is a product of a particular socio-political
process. is it so diffuclt for you vedavati, to imagine that people may
think of themselves in terms other than 'hindu'/'muslim'? that there
are spaces that people have shared over centuries on the basis of (far
more evolved?) recognition of similarlity rather than difference? and
that the hindutva/hindu right wing is trying really really hard to
re-define these spaces in dichotomous terms. to me the bababudangiri
thingy articulates a range of issues that otehrwise are all too
abstract.

akshay

Quoting Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>:

> dear rahima,
>
> i don't hate you, i am a hindu, you are a muslim still we are sisters.
>
> i hate pseudo secularists & our politicians,
>
> they are creating gulf between you & me.
>
>
> vedavati
>
>
>> From: "Raheema Begum" <theunderscoredhood at gmail.com>
>> To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Action Alert - Communal harmony
>> activistsarrested in Karnataka - Write in the the chief Minister
>> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:32:40 +0530
>>
>> I'm not aggressive
>>
>> my view-point is not heard
>>
>> I have an axe to grind
>>
>> I'm not allowed to articulate what I feel
>>
>> I believe in Allah
>>
>> I dont want you to hate me.
>>
>> just let me be.
>>
>> I love you.
>>
>>
>> On 12/12/06, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> yes dear i agree with you fully.
>>>
>>> hindus partitioned india, poor muslims were forced to loot, kill or throw
>>> hindus out of pakistan, rather i would like to say, hindus compelled
>>> muslims
>>> to indulge in these acts. then kashmir happened, history repeated, hindus
>>> very happily became refugees in their own mother land.
>>>
>>> hindus have always been very aggressive, poor muslims were forced pull
>>> down
>>> thousands of temples in medieval india, same thing happened in kashmir.
>>> hindus could not understand that ram mandir can be built only in secular
>>> muslim countries like pakistan & bangladesh.
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: jumana bandukwala <jumanab12 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> >To: Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
>>> >CC: reader-list at sarai.net
>>> >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Action Alert - Communal harmony
>>> >activistsarrested in Karnataka - Write in the the chief Minister
>>> >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:39:08 +0000 (GMT)
>>> >
>>> >Hi all,
>>> >
>>> >   This so called hindus with terrorist hindutva idealogy trying all
>>> >possible way to tear apart the very secular democratic fabric of India
>>> and
>>> >forced the other minority communities to take up arms against
>>> >them.....first the saffron terrorists brigade killed father of the
>>> nation,
>>> >Gandhiji, strong exponent of secular India, then by taking useless issue
>>> >Ram janam bhoomi have have killed thousands of innocent muslims in
>>> Gujarat,
>>> >UP, Mumbai, Bengal, almost all over India and it is still continue...and
>>> >now they are so much radical that they even lynched low caste hindus dead
>>> >on petty issues, sometimes dalits were beaten to death, others they were
>>> >set on fire live and the like.
>>> >   Now after all this fracas of the so called sefl proclaimed guardian of
>>> >hindu...they are ought to plunge India into darkness of superstitions,
>>> >illiteracy, witchcraft, loot, fraud, in otherwords they are heading India
>>> >towards JUNGLE RAAJ.......
>>> >
>>> >   general public should oppose these demons.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >   one should not equate hindu & muslim terrorism because,
>>> >1) most of the times hindu terrorism is the 'reaction'- to muslim t.
>>> >2) moreover hindu terrorist will not 'partition' this country. (i hope
>>> >every
>>> >body remembers 1947)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: gowhar fazli
>>> > >To: Vedavati Jogi
>>> > >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Action Alert - Communal harmony
>>> > >activistsarrested in Karnataka - Write in the the chief Minister
>>> > >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:59:30 -0800 (PST)
>>> > >
>>> > >Dear Vedavati Jogi I think the problem is precisely
>>> > >that the two kinds of terrorism are not spoken about
>>> > >equally in the same breath. Both Hindu and Muslim
>>> > >fundamentalism are similar except that the
>>> > >majoritarian fundamentalism gets mistaken as
>>> > >nationalism at times and can even come to power while
>>> > >Muslim fundamentalism is terrorism beyond doubt.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >--- Vedavati Jogi wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > in india, if you have to prove your secular
>>> > > > credentials, you have to curse
>>> > > > rss/bjp/vhp, you have to talk about gujrat
>>> > > > carnage(?) again & again....and
>>> > > > most importantly you have to remain tightlipped as
>>> > > > far as muslim terrorism
>>> > > > is concerned!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >From: Britta Ohm
>>> > > > >To: Clifton
>>> > > > >CC: reader-list at sarai.net
>>> > > > >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Action Alert - Communal
>>> > > > harmony
>>> > > > >activistsarrested in Karnataka - Write in the the
>>> > > > chief Minister
>>> > > > >Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 17:06:24 +0100
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >Dear Clifton,
>>> > > > >no irony here but sincere interest (as I'm not so
>>> > > > aware): do you mean
>>> > > > >the Kanataka-coalition government only, or does
>>> > > > "the role of this
>>> > > > >present coalition government in supporting and
>>> > > > promoting these
>>> > > > >activities of the Sangh Parivar" also refer to the
>>> > > > UPA? And if so, are
>>> > > > >there examples for this support you could name?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >Britta
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >Am 02.12.2006 um 15:27 schrieb Clifton:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Friends,
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Most of you are aware of the Sangh Parivar's
>>> > > > attempts to destroy the
>>> > > > > > secular fabric in Karnataka by targeting the
>>> > > > Baba-Datta shrine on
>>> > > > > > Bababudangiri near Chikmagalur, a shrine that is
>>> > > > an example of
>>> > > > > > syncretic
>>> > > > > > traditions in the state, attracting people of
>>> > > > different faiths. You are
>>> > > > > > also aware of the role of this present coalition
>>> > > > government in
>>> > > > > > supporting and promoting these activities of the
>>> > > > Sangh Parivar. Now the
>>> > > > > > government has given permission to the Sangh
>>> > > > Parivar to conduct the
>>> > > > > > Shobha Yatra and about 300 activists of the
>>> > > > Karnataka Komu Souharda
>>> > > > > > Vedike who reached Chikmagalur to protest this
>>> > > > have been arrested today
>>> > > > > > (02.12.2006).
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The Karnataka Komu Souharda Vedike, which is a
>>> > > > coalition of over 200
>>> > > > > > organizations working since 2002 to establish
>>> > > > communal harmony and to
>>> > > > > > fight against the agenda of communalism in
>>> > > > Karnataka, has through the
>>> > > > > > years exposed the Sangh Parivar's farcical
>>> > > > claims about the shrine,
>>> > > > > > thwarted their intentions and successfully
>>> > > > countered their agenda
>>> > > > > > through its ideology of aggressive secularism.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The Sangh Parivar has been targeting the shrine
>>> > > > on Bababudangiri with
>>> > > > > > the sole intention of destroying this tradition
>>> > > > in the name of
>>> > > > > > 'liberating' the shrine from Muslims. In order
>>> > > > to achieve their narrow
>>> > > > > > sectarian goal, they have been creating unwanted
>>> > > > disputes, putting up
>>> > > > > > historically untenable and legally unsubstantial
>>> > > > arguments. Further,
>>> > > > > > they have introduced previously non-existent
>>> > > > religious practices like
>>> > > > > > Datta-Mala Abhiyan, Shobha Yatra and Datta
>>> > > > Jayanthi celebrations every
>>> > > > > > year in the months of October, November and
>>> > > > December. It is obvious
>>> > > > > > that
>>> > > > > > their main purpose is neither religion nor faith
>>> > > > but to target the
>>> > > > > > Muslim community as 'outsiders' who are bent
>>> > > > on destroying the
>>> > > > >'Hindu'
>>> > > > > > tradition and culture.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > This year, the BJP has aligned with the Janata
>>> > > > Dal (S) to form a
>>> > > > > > coalition government which has thus far
>>> > > > supported the communal agenda
>>> > > > > > of
>>> > > > > > the Sangh Parivar. Clear evidence of this was
>>> > > > visible in the first week
>>> > > > > > of October during the communal violence in and
>>> > > > around Mangalore and in
>>> > > > > > Bababudangiri at the time of the Datta Mala
>>> > > > Abhiyan. In Bababudangiri,
>>> > > > > > the local BJP MLA, C.T. Ravi led the Sangh
>>> > > > Parivar activists in
>>> > > > > > performing rites in the shrine â in clear
>>> > > > violation of the High
>>> > > > >Court's
>>> > > > > > order.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > By contrast activists of the Komu Souharda
>>> > > > Vedike were arrested and
>>> > > > > > prevented from peacefully protesting and
>>> > > > exposing the communal designs
>>> > > > > > of the present Government. This action of the
>>> > > > present governement is
>>> > > > > > reprehensible and reaffirms the communal
>>> > > > credentials of the so â
>>> > > > >called
>>> > > > > > secular JD(S). We are particularly concerned
>>> > > > that this particular
>>> > > > > > action
>>> > > > > > of arresting secular activists and preventing
>>> > > > peaceful protests bodes
>>> > > > > > ill for the future of democracy in Karnataka
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > /We request you to write / phone / fax / email
>>> > > > the Chief Minister and
>>> > > > > > the Home Minister demanding the immediate
>>> > > > release of the arrested
>>> > > > > > activists. We also hope that you would state in
>>> > > > most certain terms your
>>> > > > > > unacceptance of such a communal agenda of this
>>> > > > government especially
>>> > > > > > with regard to Bababudangiri and the recent
>>> > > > Mangalore riots. /
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > /Chief Minister H D Kumaraswamy/
>>> > > > > > /Ph: 2225 3414 / /22253424/
>>> > > > > > cm at kar.nic.in /
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > /Home Minister M.P. Prakash
>>> > > > > > Ph: 22251798
>>> > > > > > Internal Ph: 2092489
>>> > > > > > e-mail: homemin at vsb.kar.nic.in
>>> > > > /
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