[Reader-list] JKLF leader Yasin Malik says unarmed IAF officers were agents of Enemy...defends killing them !

[Pawan Durani]

Suddha : My mail was not directed to you unless you consider one among the
defenders of terrorists.

Partho : Nice to hear that your obligation to your country is limited to
paying taxes. As for as your suggestion of me trying to learn is concerned ,
I pray to god that I should not be as learned as you are.

And BTW why are you all so obsessed with defending yasin malik , if the
terrorist does not matter to you ?



On 9/13/07, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>
> Dear all, Dear ARKP,
>
> It seems to me that you guys are the people most attatched to Yasin
> Malik on this list. I have rarely seen such undying affection or
> devotion to Yasin Malik as demonstrated by you, repeatedly. Really, the
> JKLF (Yasin Malik faction) should hire you as publicists.
>
> Whenever you have a problem, whenever your arguments are demonstrated as
> hollow,  whenever the discussion moves on towards things more intersting
> than what you throw into the ring, you pull Yasin Malik out of your
> little bag of tricks. As if he was some kind of protective talisman
> behind whom you can shield your obvious inability to participate in a
> discussion.
>
> In two successive mails addressed to Pawan Durani, I had categorically
> stated my opposition to the use of violence, and also categorically
> mentioned that if any charges are brought in the legally prescribed
> manner against Yasin Malik, me, Pawan Durani, my father or Santa Claus
> on suspicion of homicide then they (Yasin Malik, me, Pawan Durani, my
> father and Santa Claus) should be required to stand a free and fair trial.
>
> I had said this while trying painstakingly to explain the meaning of the
> phrase 'he, or any other' which I had used when on another occasion,
> ARKP had brought out the effigy of Yasin Malik (yet again) to cover for
> their defeated arguments. I cannot understand why, after this, the issue
> of Yasin Malik refuses to go away.
>
> See my posts,
>
> 1. Re: [Reader-list] By R.J.Rummel, September 3, 2007
> 2. Re : [Reader-list] Reply To Shuddha (Yasin Sahibs Fan), September 4,
> 2007
>
> In the first, I say - "As for the deaths of Indian State and Armed
> Forces Personnel. Let me make my position clear. I am not a votary of
> pursuing politics by violence, no matter who does it. Not because I have
> a moral position vis a vis violence, but because I believe that the
> strategy of terror, no matter who pursues it, invariably leads to
> secretive, un-accountable and un-democratic politics, which leads to
> popular movements being corrupted and infiltrated by the very forces
> that they are opposing. I think this has happenned in Kashmir, and it
> happenned both because of the machinations of the Indian state and the
> political immaturity of the pro Azadi 'tanzeems' in Jammu and Kashmir,
> and in the Kashmiri diaspora."
>
> In the second post, I say "if anyone, whether it is Yasin Malik or
> Santa Claus, or you, or me, or my father,  that is what the "he or any
> other person" in the above paragraph means (reference to a quotaion from
> a fragement of my earlier post) - is found guilty of homicide
> in a free and fair trial, they should be punished for it, with a prison
> term if need be, as per the provisions of a criminal procedure code."
>
> I do not know how much clearer a position can be than this. And yet,
> again, and again, and again, we see Pawan Durani bringing up the
> allegation that there are poeple on this list (myself explicitly
> included) who serve as apologists either for Yasin Malik or for anyone
> else who has either committed or condoned the use of violence in Kashmir
>
> So the next time someone, anyone, in ARKP (though this type of bad
> sniping does seem to be the particular forte of A and P) brings out the
> effigy of Yasin Malik in any posting, dear readers, please understand
> that it is a semaphore, a code that indicates that they are admitting
> yet again that they are a bunch of losers, who refuse to learn any
> lessons from their defeats. We can sympathise (at a stretch) with the
> abjectness of that failure, but we cannot refuse to see it for what it is.
>
> I am also amused at the deliberate carping about the category of people
> that are being loosely called 'intellectuals' on this list. I fail to
> understand precisely what is wrong with being an 'intellectual' - with
> being a person who works for a living with words, images, ideas and
> concepts. Is it better to be a dentist, or a chef, or a traffic police
> inspector, or a gardener, or a financial analyst than it is to be a
> writer, a teacher, an artist, a philosopher, a librarian or a scientist?
>
> I see nothing wrong with being a  dentist, or a chef, or a traffic
> police inspector, or a gardener, or a financial analyst, and
> consequently, I fail to see what is wrong with being what is loosely
> called 'an intellectual'. Since when did the choice of your practice
> mark you out as being the appropriate target of abuse. Would it make
> sense, if I, or anyone else were to say on this list, "...and the
> 'dentists' will still have some argument...........god bless India'.
>
> Is it someone's fault that they take care about how they write, or read,
> or express an argument? Is it a mistake, an error, to be able to work
> through the nuances of a statement, or an argument, to try and see
> complexity, or to try and engage in a dialogue on the basis of a respect
> for knowledge and the spirit of dialogue?
>
> I think it is far worse to see some people demonstrate their pride in
> their inability to marshall even the basic rudiments of an argument. The
> arrogance born of knowledge, or of claims to knowledge, is sad, but the
> arrogance born of wilful and publicly demonstrated ignorance is really
> pathetic.
>
> regards,
>
> an intellectual, and a toilet cleaner
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pawan Durani wrote:
>
> > And the "intellectuals" will still have some argument................god
> > Bless India.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/13/07, Aditya Raj Kaul <adityarajkaul at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>*The agents of the 'enemy'** - Rediff News
> >>
> >>*** *Srinagar.* January 25, 1990 Squadron Leader Ravi Khanna's
> misfortune
> >>was that he was in uniform.
> >>That winter morning nine years ago, he and his colleagues were waiting
> >>near
> >>the Rawalpura bus stand. An Indian Air Force bus was to reach them to
> the
> >>airport.
> >>At around 0730 hours a Maruti Gypsy and a two-wheeler carrying four to
> >>five
> >>Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front militants drew up. The next thing
> that
> >>Khanna knew was bullets pumping into his body. That was the last thing
> he
> >>knew. Around him 13 more fell. Three of them dead, 10 were injured.
> Hardly
> >>50 yards away was a Jammu and Kashmir police picket, manned by a head
> >>constable and seven subordinates. Their eight .303 rifles remained
> silent
> >>as
> >>the militants finished emptying their weapons and, taking a clockwise
> >>circuit of the roundabout ahead, vanished unhurriedly into Srinagar's
> >>numerous back lanes.
> >>*Even after he gave up the gun, JKLF leader Yasin Malik was to defend
> the
> >>killings: The IAF personnel were not innocent victims. They were the
> >>agents
> >>of the 'enemy'. *
> >>
> >>
> >>*--
> >>Aditya Raj Kaul
> >>Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
> >>Campaign Blog: www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> >>RIK Website: www.rootsinkashmir.org
> >>US Website: www.unitedstudents.in*
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