[Reader-list] STOP THE SHUDDHA-FECAL-TION

[Vishal Rawlley]

Dear Pawan,

I agree with you somewhat...

Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

Those who have suffered can speak directly form their heart, without needing
to refer to historical texts and court documents. However, getting emotional
can also blind ones thinking. To a mother whose decent and noble army
officer son has been shot down while waiting at a bus stop (along with other
innocent bystanders) cannot be persuaded that the perpetrators were "freedom
fighters" and not terrorists and that her son was an "enemy agent" in a
"forcibly occupied land". I am assuming for arguments sake that it is true
that Kashmir is "occupied territory" and the armed conflict is between
"freedom fighters" and a "brutal army".

But, Pawan, could it also be that this assumption is actually the fact?!
Many are enraged that their army officer brethren are being made sacrificial
lambs in this war, when the only solution might be to withdraw and talk
across the table?? Could it be that the Kashmiri Pandits are being used as
pawns in a bigger game? It seems to me that the Kashmiri Pandits are more
with Delhi now than with Kashmir. Does Kashmir have a genuine reason to
fight with the state or no??? Are you willing to fight this for the sake of
all Kashmiris? Or is this just a Kashmiri Muslim's war?

Please ask yourself these questions and read the arguments posted by others
carefully and dispassionately and you may derive something out of it. They
you can direct your anger in the right direction. Do not get baited by
others at the slightest provocation. Most people are interested to see the
land and honour of ALL Kashmiris restored to them and put an end to the
blood bath. These people are interested in this much more than forcibly
keeping Kashmir with India at the cost of many lives.

I request you to take a break and do some introspection. Your opponents can
often give to more insights than your fan followers. You may end up
realising that it is the Indian politicians that are actually your main
enemy. You may also realise that you should shake that Yasin Malik's hand
when he is offering it to you. You may feel much better after this. You
could also start speaking to your Muslim Kashmiri brothers and sisters about
fighting the injustice to Kashmir without resorting to terror. You could
take the example of the Tibetan movement. The misguided need to be helped
and this is what your cause perhaps should be.

Whatever you decide is your wish, but hate mails to the reader-list is not
helping in any way yaar!

Best,
Vishal





On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hello Vishal ,
>
> I appreciate your mail.
>
> However I must say that people like Shuddha  twist and mix up the words to
> present it to support their ideas . And their discussion on a subject about
> which they have only "read" and not "suffered " or "experienced" speaks a
> lot about their intellectualism.
>
> Pawan
>
>
>  On 9/14/07, Vishal Rawlley < vishal.rawlley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No, I don't think we need people to purge and purify this space. Jane do
> > yaar, ashuddh hee theek hai. The self-appointed shit sweepers should
> > absolutely stop. You guys are spreading more shit around than wiping it
> > off.
> > Now every post smells of turd. Smell this one and see - its all over.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would imagine that the readers of this list are intelligent enough and
> >
> > mature enough to decide which arguments to purchase and which to ignore.
> >
> > Leave the shit alone. Let it decompose by itself, its biodegradable
> > after
> > all. Ignore it please. If you do have a better argument or a different
> > viewpoint or more information on an issue, please do share it with us:
> > the
> > readers. There is no point aiming it at people whose intelligence and
> > logic
> > you doubt. Stop lacing your counter arguments with "I do not wish to
> > ridicule you, but…" "don't test my patience, [or else]…" when you do put
> >
> > forward your point
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that the volunteer toilet cleaners are being
> > opportunistic in
> > using the counter arguments to the crappy comments only to brandish
> > their
> > own superior wit and wisdom. A self-congratulatory club is so boring, an
> >
> > utter waste (pun intended). You guys have created the ARKP hydra, fed it
> > and
> > buffered it and now it looms like a demon, foaming and fuming, over all
> > of
> > us.
> >
> >
> >
> > That we now have people like, first, Vedavanti and now some Kashmiri
> > pandits, with very opposed viewpoints on this list, could have been such
> > a
> > good opportunity to converse with them. These people represent the
> > viewpoint
> > of certain masses and are not just standalone lunatics. Their different
> > viewpoint also has a reason for existing. Can we address that? If only
> > we
> > were not so insensitive and didn't act prudishly, we could have engaged
> > them
> > more positively. Expecting carefully constructed arguments from them is
> > futile. There was no need to be baited by them every time they acted
> > provocatively. One could have ignored them – simple solution. But if you
> >
> > must take on the tough task of correcting their prejudice then
> > understand
> > first what you are trying to take on. It could be a very useful
> > exercise. I
> > personally do not have the where withal to do so, but if your toilet
> > cleaners must engage them, then have bottomless patience, show some
> > love,
> > some Gandhigiri, handle them gently and then perhaps they would respond.
> > Some of them are quite loveable and very human. They have idealism and a
> >
> > passion and this can all be channelised to good use.
> >
> >
> >
> > I appeal to you "intellectuals" because I hope to cut some ice here. I
> > also
> > appeal to the other party to show some restraint. Stop pulling out
> > incidents
> > from 1990 (Squadron Leader Ravi Khanna's misfortune) just to rile up
> > people.
> > And please, all of you, get some Sun - spending so much time in front of
> > the
> > screen is very unhealthy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry for sounding like a moral science school teacher, but I just want
> > my
> > reader-list back the way it was. If someone does not take the initiative
> >
> > now, no amount of fumigation and sanitation will work. Its getting very
> > stuffy in here, so as they say in Bombay: Havaa aane de yaar! (Let me
> > some
> > get air, my friend).
> >
> >
> >
> > Keep it real,
> >
> > Vishal Blurker
> >
> >
> >
> > p.s. And if you absolutely must regale in toilet cleaning, then please
> > take
> > on 'we wi' (Dhatri), that should keep you occupied for ever and ever.
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