[Reader-list] Lists and assaults

[Pawan Durani]

Gargi ,

Has he apologiesed for HIS killings ? If he HAS , i have missed out
something . Please enlighten me where he HAS apologies for HIS killings .

Even if he HAS , which he HASN'T , that doesnt still wash him off his
crimes.

A terrorist has to be dealt by the law of the land.

Pawan


On 9/15/07, Gargi Sen <sen.gargi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Partha, Pawan,
> Partha just so that you know and Pawan just so that you hear, once,
> fearlessly: Yasin Malik HAS aplogised. Publicly. At the WSF 2004 in Mumbai.
> And many people on this list have repeated that over and over, ad nauseum,
> especially Shuddha.
>
> Pawan you choose to ignore an apology by a man and insist on shouting "but
> he has not even said sorry."
> That is a choice you make.
>
> However, each time you lie, someone on this list, equally exhausted as me
> with your tireless and endless lying, will summon up the energy to tell you
> the truth, once again, over and over. Because your lie is dangerous. You
> lies can lead to death. And that is simply not allowed.
>
> Partha, the acronym stands for Aditya, Pawan, Rashneek and Khemendra
> coined by someone I have only met on the list – M Yousuf, a person whose
> nationality and gender is not know but who is nevertheless a comrade. He
> called them ARKP. I added the +VD to signify the other half of these five
> men: Vedvati and Dhatri.
>
> If you look at the archive you'll see the genesis of these silly names and
> games.
>
> But the lies they tell is not just childish or stupid, the lies they tell
> are dangerous.
>
> And so tired, exhausted, we still nail the lies. In the process I think
> we've also had a lot of fun. Created games and archetypes. And truly taken
> the debate beyond the orbit of ARKP+VD into a space they can't reach even in
> their dreams, and laughed amongst ourselves even as we wear their insults
> with pride: SHIT, toilet cleaner, shady-shadowy (for pseudo-secular) and
> turned the scary mobsters into jokes. And that has been the success of this
> list.
>
> Gargi happy-to-be-pseudo-secular Sen
>
>
>
> On 9/15/07 1:49 PM, "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Partha , I have no love for the killers or terrorists. They do NOT deserve
> it. Neither do I serve Justice , but I do CRY for it. Ofcourse I have not
> pardoned Yasin Malik the terrorist , and more ever he has NOT regreted any
> of his killings. Regarding the "Greater Bangla " issue , i have no knowledge
> as of now about it , and hence would not like to comment on that .I am not
> an expert of life on everything or life on mars ....like few of the people
> here are. God Bless Pawan On 9/15/07, Partha Dasgupta <
> parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Pawan, > > He obviously hasn't been
> pardoned by you. Amongst the many things that you > told me, why not tell me
> one thing more that I asked - why shouldn't I cry > out for a 'Greater
> Bangla' and ignore your's of J&K. > > I see the passion and the pain, but I
> don't see the reason. > > Rgds, Partha > > On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <
> pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Partha , > > > > Didn't I
> tell you that the terrorist has not been pardoned by the law , > > unless
> you chose to ignore that. > > > > > > Pawan > > > > > >  On 9/15/07, Partha
> Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pawan, > > > > > >
> We go back to the same loop of only looking at a part of a debate, out > > >
> of it's context. > > > > > > Let me get back to where I set off from - why
> don't we start agitating > > > for Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka... > > >
> > > > When do we stop the killing and look after the living? > > > > > > You
> talk of the constitution of India, and then rail at the ones who > > > have
> been pardoned and believed by the same constitution. > > > > > > Just
> because you don't believe is something or someone doesn't mean > > >
> everyone else has to - UNLESS there is a reasoned argument behind that cause
> > > > - and I haven't seen one as yet. > > > > > > Like I've said time and
> again - show me the reason. Else, why > > > shouldn't I drown out your
> shouts for J&K for my call for a 'Greater Bangla' > > > (or whatever else)
> just because I am blinkered to everything else. > > > > > > Rgds, Partha > >
> > ......................................... > > > On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani <
> pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9/15/07, Partha
> Dasgupta parthaekka at gmail.com > wrote > > > > > > > > >>>>>>You 'ask for a
> terrorist to be brought to justice' forgetting > > > > the path forged by JP
> in including the outsiders and bringing them into > > > > civil society. > >
> > > Do you really want to continue the cycle of hate? An eye for an eye > >
> > > - is that the point so that we go on and on killing. More and more, till
> the > > > > bodies pile up and all that is left is a ravaged landscape.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Partha , > > > > We live in a country where
> the constitution exists. general amnesty > > > > to all criminals
> ,especially terrorists is a very dangerous thought. > > > > > > > > We can
> not go on and start defending people for they are *supposed* > > > > to have
> been reformed [ or become political ] . Justice has to be served for > > > >
> their deeds. These people have been source of violence against innconets , >
> > > > and responsible for making a race homeless. > > > > > > > > As the
> Pope Greogery VII  had once said and this may hold true for > > > > me ,"I
> have loved justice and hated inequity; and therefore I die in exile." > > >
> > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Pawan Durani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pawan, > > > > > >
> > > > > What you have provoked me into thinking about is how far this > > >
> > > "gimme" attitude will go. As a father, I stop my youngest from doing it
> with > > > > > his elder siblings since he's at the age when everything is
> 'mine'. > > > > > > > > > > Should I demand back Bangladesh, since as a
> Bengali my roots are > > > > > there? > > > > > > > > > > Should I demand
> back Pakistan, where hundreds of thousands of > > > > > Indians have there
> roots? > > > > > > > > > > Should I demand back Sri Lanka where Ram made his
> conquest (and it > > > > > resides in the Indian Ocean) > > > > > > > > > >
> You 'ask for a terrorist to be brought to justice' forgetting the > > > > >
> path forged by JP in including the outsiders and bringing them into civil >
> > > > > society. > > > > > > > > > > Do you really want to continue the
> cycle of hate? An eye for an > > > > > eye - is that the point so that we go
> on and on killing. More and more, till > > > > > the bodies pile up and all
> that is left is a ravaged landscape. > > > > > > > > > > Or do we look at
> what the government has finally figured out - an > > > > > 'inclusive'
> debate wherein concerned parties form a common consensus - which > > > > >
> also cuts down the enforced mortality rate. > > > > > > > > > > Sure, I can
> block you off with spam - but that would allow you to > > > > > write
> whatever you want as I sit silent. The same attitude in Germany that > > > >
> > allowed Hitler to come to power and destroy decades of sensibility and > >
> > > > almost wipe out a tribe. I can't because I have growing children and I
> hope > > > > > that they will emerge into a reasoned society instead of a
> regimented one. > > > > > > > > > > You talk of the homeless because your
> home was taken away. That's > > > > > personal so you care - and forget the
> pain of separation in India or the > > > > > Nandigrams and dams that have
> caused so much pain.> > > > > > > > > > "But the dams are for the greater
> good" - in that case, wouldn't > > > > > letting peace reign in J&K be for
> the greater good? > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you have 50+ subscribers
> writing to you offline, maybe > > > > > more. Good for you. If they're that
> proud of you, why slide offline and > > > > > write? Keep the debate in the
> public forum unless you're ashamed of your > > > > > views. > > > > > > > >
> > > When I wrote to you about the Yasin Malik post, all I enquired > > > > >
> about was the reason and logic of the debate you wanted to start. Since this
> > > > > > is not a blog or a 'me too' mass mail, the whole point about a
> post here is > > > > > to raise debate. > > > > > > > > > > Till date,
> though we've reached the level of personal denigration, > > > > > we have
> not had a debate on the central issue, and not a single response to > > > >
> > the questions I asked. > > > > > > > > > > That you have a passion for J&K
> is an undeniable fact. However, > > > > > just as I have a passion for
> Bengal, to present the case to you I must base > > > > > my argument in
> reason and not gung-ho platitudes about heads and hearts. > > > > > That's
> for polticians making a speech for elections - while this is a forum > > > >
> > to discuss and debate viewpoints. > > > > > > > > > > If you have a point
> and a reason, let's talk. If not, why throw up > > > > > tons of dust in the
> air? Sure, it'll obfuscate the issue and drown out > > > > > everything else
> and make me dirty. But you're there too, and you will get > > > > > just as
> dirty. Like every other day I'll take a bath and start off again. > > > > >
> > > > > > If you truly believe that you have a point that you can get > > >
> > > across, then explain it and I will listen. If you stick to loud noises
> then > > > > > I will make more noises so that my children hopefully get to
> see an India > > > > > where reason and love form the core of society - not
> hate and intolerence. > > > > > > > > > > Rgds, Partha > > > > > > > > > >
>  On 9/15/07, Pawan Durani < pawan.durani at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > >
> > > > > Dear Anamika , > > > > > > > > > > > > That is what I was trying to
> provoke the likes of Suddha , > > > > > > Partha and Zainab > > > > > > to
> think into. > > > > > > > > > > > > When they talk about freedom of
> expression , that means the > > > > > > liberty to > > > > > > portray a
> terrorist as a moderan day Gandhi .> > > > > > > > > > > > And when I
> express my desire that a terrorist has to be bought > > > > > > to justice ,
> > > > > > > they find it pushing and then use some unparliamentary words. >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If my expression of resentment for a man who has made
> me > > > > > > homeless is not > > > > > > acceptable in freedom of speech ,
> I wonder what else is ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would continue to drag the
> issue below or above the belt as > > > > > > long as the > > > > > >
> terrorist is not bought to justice. if someone is not interested > > > > > >
> a button is > > > > > > needed to delete the mail or put me on SPAM . That
> is a gift > > > > > > technology has > > > > > > given to us. > > > > > > >
> > > > > > But if I interest you , you would continue to read me. > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To put on record I have around 50 + subscribers of readers-list
> > > > > > > writing to > > > > > > me offline and appreciating my concern. >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, the way things are turning , 20 years down
> the line > > > > > > your child > > > > > > may be writing the same stuff
> which I write now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pawan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > On 14 Sep 2007 23:19:52 -0000, Anamika Bhatnagar < > > > > > >
> bhatnagar_anamika at rediffmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > Man...I am seriously irritated by these stupid replies and > > > > >
> > counter replies > > > > > > > ...true...that > > > > > > > freedom of
> speech must be maintained and preserved but > > > > > > these...pawan and >
> > > > > > > company drag > > > > > > > it below the belt...it is so
> difficult to have a constructive > > > > > > argument > > > > > > > with
> them.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 Rana Dasgupta wrote :
> > > > > > > > >Rana Dasgupta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given
> the seriousness of some of the issues at stake, and > > > > > > the enormous
> > > > > > > > > > gulfs of understanding between some of the contributors, I
> > > > > > > have to say > > > > > > > > > I've admired the restraint of many
> of the writers on the > > > > > > list.  People > > > > > > > > > have held
> themselves back from expressing outright > > > > > > disgust, or from > > >
> > > > > > > violent attacks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I take it all
> back. > > > > > > > >_________________________________________ > > > > > > >
> >reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city. > > > > > > >
> >Critiques & Collaborations > > > > > > > >To subscribe: send an email to
> reader-list-request at sarai.netwith > > > > > > > subscribe in the subject >
> > > > > > > header. > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe: > > > > > >
> https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list > > > > > > > >List
> archive: < https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/ > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > _________________________________________ > > > > > > >
> reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city. > > > > > > >
> Critiques & Collaborations > > > > > > > To subscribe: send an email to
> reader-list-request at sarai.net > > > > > > with > > > > > > > subscribe in
> the subject header. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > >
> https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list > > > > > > > List
> archive: > > > > > > &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/> > >
> > > > > _________________________________________ > > > > > > reader-list:
> an open discussion list on media and the city. > > > > > > Critiques &
> Collaborations > > > > > > To subscribe: send an email to
> reader-list-request at sarai.netwith subscribe in the subject header. > > > >
> > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > >
> https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list > > > > > > List
> archive: &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Partha Dasgupta
> (9811047132) > > > > > http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Partha Dasgupta (9811047132) > > >
> http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka > > > > > > > > > > -- > Partha Dasgupta
> (9811047132) > http://www.jaxtr.com/parthaekka >
> _________________________________________ reader-list: an open discussion
> list on media and the city. Critiques & Collaborations To subscribe: send an
> email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with subscribe in the subject
> header. To unsubscribe:
> https://mail.sarai.net/mailman/listinfo/reader-list List archive:
> &lt;https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
>
>
>