[Reader-list] Is Antulay really pro-Pakistan?

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Kshemendra ,

The only difference between you and me is that i judged her before and you
had to wait to understand her intentions.

Trust, it is these Fatimas and Antulays who do more damage to muslims in
India by watering the ever suspicion plant which grows in most of muslim
homes in India.

Antulay has political reasons to exploit his community and Fatima has been
born with this contagious problem. Antulaay has problems in having been
sidelined in ministry . I recall couple of years back I had a breakfast
meeting with Antulay and I was being accompanied by lt L.N.Singhvi {
Abhishek Singhvis father } . Antulay was all through begging us to plead his
case to Sonia and request Sonia to promote him in the ministry . And even
telling us ...pls do tell her but do not tell her that Antulay has asked us
to convey this to her.

Such a moron opportunist.

Mumbai attacks , thankfully was never seen in context of Hindu vs
Muslim.......however Antulays and Fatimas have succesfully damaged the
united Indian community to an extent.



Pawan



On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Dear Fatima
>
> Two days back I criticised Pawan for what I thought was an intemperate
> comment directed at you over your "Kasab...Nepal....India" posting.
>
> Today I see your intentions as suspect. Earlier you forswore that you do
> not want to promote any 'conspiracy theory'. Today you have done exactly the
> opposite.
>
> On what basis do you say that "...majority of Muslims in India have this
> doubt any way" (about Karkare's death). Are you the voice of the Muslims of
> India? Do you have any means of evidencing your claim?
>
> Antulay was an idiot to make his comment publicly in the given atmosphere
> post Mumbai Terror Attacks.
>
> Already Antulay's comment is being extensively quoted by Pakistanis.
> Antulay (by his indiscrete questioning) became a proxy voice for those
> Pakistanis who continue to be in denial about the Pakistani connection to
> the Mumbai Terror Attacks and became the proxy voice for those Pakistanis
> who want to divert the attention away from the Pakistani connection to the
> Mumbai Terror Attacks.
>
> Antulay placed himself in the "proxy voice for Pakistan" position
> unwittingly. You are doing it deliberately.
>
> Antulay is a Minister in the Govt. of India. He is a Congress partyman. He
> could always have discussed the "suspicions about Karkare's death"
> internally withing the Party / Government. Both would have been more than
> keen to enquire into or exploit that suspicion at the appropiate time since
> it would mean discrediting / attacking the Hindutvavaadis.
>
> You seem to be intent on making this a Muslim versus Non-Muslim divide.
> That makes your motives Anti-India.
>
> You asked why Non-Muslims in India and on this List are not asking the same
> questions as Antulay. Consider this, that they alongwith Muslims might not
> be as foolish as Antulay or as you and might think that thia is not the
> point of time when such questions should be asked on the basis of some vague
> 'conspiracy theory'.
>
> Incidentally, I myself had written this (copied to you):
>
> """""" The Hindutvavaadis had been with frequency and great vehemence
> ascribing motives to and attacking Hemant Karkare's investigations into the
> involvement of "Hindu Terrorists" in the Malegaon Blasts. It is only natural
> that Karkare's killing (with a bullet-proof vest donned) should not only
> raise a few eybrows but bring into the arena questions about whether he was
> eliminated by "Hindu Terrorists". Such suspicions might be far-fetched,
> might be without duly investigating the facts of 'how and where' he died but
> such suspicions are not illogical. """"
>
> Even if you read it, you seem to have been keener to make that dramatic
> statement about Non-muslims in India and on this List.
>
> I repeat that you seem to be intent on making this a Muslim versus
> Non-Muslim divide. That makes your motives Anti-India.
>
> Kshmendra
>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Fatima फ़ातिमा <fatimaschool45 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Fatima फ़ातिमा <fatimaschool45 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Is Antulay really pro-Pakistan?
> To: "Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 12:40 PM
>
> Dear friends
> I have no sympathy for politicians usually, but this case has made me
> think a lot. I am amazed that Antulay is being hounded by all
> including the Congress for expressing a doubt. The truth is that a
> majority of Muslims in India have this doubt any way - but that does
> not prove that they supporting Pakistani viewpoint. Why is everything
> to be seen as anti-India and pro-Pakistan terms? I am really wondering
> if there is no non-Muslim in this country who is ready to ask the same
> question which Antulay asked? Not even on this list?
>
> Please see this interesting view from another "supporter of Pakistan"
>
>
> From: "zohra javed" <zohra83 at rediffmail.com>
> To: zohra83 at rediffmail.com
>
> A.R.Antulay's remark about a thorough probe into the causes of ATS
> Chief Hemant Karkare's martyrdom have drawn a lot of flak
> from the most expected quarters. It should have been surprising though
> for anyone to oppose a proper investigation specially
> into the deaths of Mr.Karkare and the other two officers who were
> killed along with him. Mr.Antulay has raised a valid point
> and instead of bashing him down and asking for explainations on the
> issue from the PM everyone must support Antulay on this
> point. Narender Modi offered a crore of rupees to Mrs.Karkare, but his
> party is opposing someone who wants a thorough probe
> into the tragic and untimely death of Mr.Karkare...what kind of
> sympathy is this? In all probablity Mrs.Karkare would much
> appreciate if the killers of her late husband are brought to justice
> rather than accepting a political charity.
> Asking for new laws is fine. But as Advani has admitted in the
> Parliament that there is no law that has not been misused, I
> wonder why the existing laws are not implemented in letter and spirit
> to begin with. It is very important to understand that
> laws are for the smooth running of a system and for the protection of
> the weak. They are neither prestige issues nor a matter
> to make election issues out of them or score political and social
> points. Indeed that political party is best which can
> implement laws and ensure a rule of law without any bias or double
> standards.
> The common people have time and again proved their innocence and
> smugness by allowing the politicians to confuse them. Every
> time some pertinent questions are raised a smoke-screen comes up
> beyond which the path becomes blurred. What is more ironical
> is that anyone daring to venture beyond is bogged down as being either
> foolish or a traitor.
> Einstein said, "the important thing is not to stop questioning".
> Indeed it is by raising questions and finding their true
> answers that one can reach a satisfactory conclusion. But most of the
> time people are not encouraged to raise their doubts.
>
> And if some stray questioning voices become loud they are branded as
> anti-national.
> Fighting terror is a serious matter. Every angle must be probed.
> Nothing must be left to chance. But even after so many
> blasts in various Indian cities and now the carnage in Mumbai our
> investigating agencies, media and the political parties do
> not seem to have woken up to the real danger. There are too many
> loopholes and loose ends in the theories that are being put
> forward. What is wrong in probing the Israeli angle a bit more
> thoroughly? Or ponder a little more over the fact that there
> was a person called Ken Heywood, whose name had come up in connection
> with some blasts in the past. However, not only was he
> allowed to travel at will, he almost instantly got a "clean chit".
>
> If we are genuinely concerned about our nation's security and
> integrity, we have to rise above bias. And it will be the
> common man who has to do this because it is the common man who suffers
> in these tragedies that reap rich harvest of votes for
> one coalition or the other, but nothing changes on the ground for the
> common man. It is not just a matter of what Antulay
> said. He is a seasoned politician and a die-hard Nehru-Gandhi
> loyalist. In such a scenario I don't understand how he could
> even utter a word of embarassment for his bosses. Hence his remarks
> cannot be only his own nor can he be speaking for his
> community.
>
> The point is who benefits from all of these activities. Are we
> supposed to believe that the so called religious leaders
> rolling in luxuries, blessing politicians before and after elections,
> are really true to their religion? Can there at all be
> any love of God behind brutal killings of the innocent? And why on
> earth do these so called religious leaders not take on the
> "non-believers" themselves? The nationality or the religion of a
> person involved in terrorist activities has ceased to be a
> pointer as to the cause. It will indeed be worthwhile to take every
> detail into account before coming to conclusions as we
> must all remember that only those who fear the outcome would oppose an
> unbiased probe into the "business of terror".
>
> Zohra Javed
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