[Reader-list] one more Kashmiri Pundit email & I'll commit suicide

Sun Oct 26 15:04:30 IST 2008

Dear Aditya
I will only respond to your phrase "Till such people continue their
ill mannered approach....." Look, if you are waiting for some change
to come about in people's behavior by your mails, forget it.

As I had mentioned in my mail, we have come to a complete roadblock as
far as having any dialogue between KPs and the rest of the people is
concerned. Neither you can change our opinion nor can we (non-KPs)
change yours. But in fact we are not even trying to change your
viewpoints. We are simply trying to discuss normal topics that touch
all our lives. But you continue to harp upon something which is not
going to change. Most of us are not even great decision makers or
movers of this world, so that we could benefit you because of your
condition. If you want to bring some change in the condition of
Kashmiri Pandits then please go to the right places. This is a wrong
place to bang your head - its hurting you, and its hurting us for no
reason. If you want to raise some money to help the suffering of the
Kashmiri pundits, please say so. I am sure everyone on this list will
contribute something, maybe to start a school or a clinic.

I can imagine that there is a good side to every human being - you
folks are also nice people at the end of the day, but by banging your
head again and again you are making an impression that you are bad
people. If you want to even have a fruitful dialogue, then why don't
you arrange a real, physical meeting where we discuss how can we
mutually solve our problems. Online discussions like this are wasting
your time and ours, with no solution in sight. Following the Sarai
reader's list has become an extremely stressful excersice. In fact if
anybody is reading all the mails being posted here must have either
joined a mental asylum or nirvana. I am on my way to a psychiatrist
any way. I am serious about this. Please have mercy on us.

K.Singh

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
<kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kirdar,
>
> I understand your concern and apologise if my long e-mails have been
> troubling your inbox on and off; but do I really have an option ? If people
> continue to diplomatically or indirectly abuse my community; and also defend
> a terrorist who is responsible for the exodus of an entire community; How
> can I stay mum ?
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't be a mute spectator to this propaganda. Till such
> people continue their ill mannered and negative approach towards Kashmiri
> Pandit Community and the ethnic cleansing faced by them; things can't stop
> easily. It is sad but true.
>
> I object to your sudden example of Kashmiri Pandits coming to some function
> in Chinmaya Auditorium and driving and parking their limousine like cars.
> This isn't true; till the best of my knowledge. It is just another rumour
> spread by one of these propagandist elements here. Could you share your
> source or some proof to back your borrowed 'imaginative story' ?
>
> Also, Yes, Kashmiri Pandits are starving; for your information. Kindly visit
> Jammu camps and see first hand how more than 50,000 Pandits are languishing
> in animal-like state. It is just pathetic situation. Worse is the air
> pollution which emits from the nearby brick kilns. There is a rise in
> cancer, asthma, diabetes and other worse diseases and ailments.
>
> As regard to questions raised by my dear Karim sahab. I don't know what to
> say ? How does he know we were born and brought up outside Kashmir ? I at
> least was born in the valley. Most other Pandits being elder to me were well
> settled in the valley and had been living their since their birth. I along
> with all my RIK members have visited and lived with my brothers in Muthi,
> Mishriwala and other camp and non-camp areas, Rather, one of my best friend
> Sunil Bhat belongs to Muthi Camp - Phase -1. Panun Kashmir has been running
> mid-day meals, education training and medical camps on a day to day basis in
> these camps. Apart from that RIK and other initiatives have been helping and
> assisting people there from time to time, mostly for education and their
> medical aid.
>
> I didn't have to answer all those imaginary claims but, I didn't want you to
> live with wrong information collected from some sleeping source.
>
> And, Lastly, Kirdar, if you are bored, you are WELCOME TO UNSUBSCRIBE at any
> moment of time. We need not learn from you, what and how to do things. You
> may kindly keep the advice with yourself and aleep.
>
> You are free to discuss any sane topic you feel like. I haven't forced you
> to keep your hands tied. You are free to do anything here.
>
> Lastly, It is people like terrorist Yasin Malik who roam around in
> limousine's and live in 5-star accommodation. Madam Sonia Jabbar can explain
> with more clarity where those funds and assistance come from; as she is very
> close to this terrorist Godfather.
>
> Its strange. Kashmiri Pandits seem to be a problem o you Kirdar. But, not a
> terrorist Yasin Malik ?
>
> Wah !!
>
>
>
> On 10/26/08, karimnanvore karim <karimnonvore at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> The kashmiri pandits writing in this group belong to a secton of Kashmiris
>> who were born and brought up in urban settings in kashmir and have never
>> been exposed to the realities of life. How many of them have been to Mutthi
>> Camp in Jammu or to the slum like shelters where Kashmiri Pandits from
>> Rural
>> Kashmir are stayin in and around Delhi. These Panun Kashmir, roots in
>> Kashmir Shops are being run on the hopes and aspirations of common Kashmiri
>> Pandits who have been living in miserable conditions in such camps.
>> It will be interesting to know how many of Panun Kashmiris, Roots in
>> Kashmir
>> are running schools in such slums or hospitals or have made arrangements
>> for
>> the education of these pandits in the form of scholarships. I Guess the
>> group will be interested in knowing that aspect of Such organizations!
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Kirdar <kirdarsingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > One more Kashmiri Pundit email on this list and I will commit suicide,
>> > honestly.
>> > There are millions of people on this earth who have been tortured and
>> > displaced and raped and massacred by someone or the other, but life
>> > moves on, yaar.
>> >
>> > I want to ask you folks: Because of your displacement from Kashmir,
>> > are you in physical pain right now? Are you starving? Are you living
>> > on footpaths? Are you living in flooded waters? Are you dying of
>> > cancer? Are you taunted and abused on the streets? Are your present
>> > houses being burnt down? Are you being persecuted at the moment as you
>> > live in the rest of India? I doubt if the answer to any of the above
>> > is yes. Then why have you become a pain for us on Sarai?
>> >
>> > Some months ago, someone on Sarai posted a report about a conference
>> > or convention of Kashmiri Pundits which happened in Delhi in Chinmaya
>> > mission or something. It was reported that each Kashmiri Pundit came
>> > to attend the convention in such large limousines that there was no
>> > space left for people to walk. So, what are we complaining about?
>> >
>> > Please leave this list and start a special one for KPs alone. At the
>> > moment, neither you nor us are able to convince each other - nor are
>> > we making any headway in any discussion. We can't also discuss any
>> > other sane topic on this list.
>> >
>> > So, please get the hell out of here.
>> >
>> > (I know my email will lead to further abusing of sanity. Somebody
>> > please write my obituary on Sarai)
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