[Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA

anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
Thu Feb 18 16:27:57 IST 2010 

Dear Aditya,

The mail was meant for Kshmendra, so let's see what he has to say.
Thanks for sharing the link. I think the PTI report that you have
cited is not worthy enough to be believed as there is another version
of the story by IANS which says the guards were tied up.

Now you decide: were these guards tied up by the insurgents? or they
were left unharmed? OK?

-Anupam



On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Anupam
>
> The first two lines of your recent e-mail on the list read as follows -
> *
> "I am sorry if you are visually impaired. I did not know this. I wish I
> had a software by which I could read out the news report in question."*
>
> I didn't find it worth enough to read the e-mail further. The above lines
> unfortunately are applicable on your good self. I share with you the link -
>
> http://www.ptinews.com/news/521987_Militants-attack-cop-post-near-Srinagar--loot-weapons
>
> I don't doubt the news report. So I rest my case.
>
> thanks
>
> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:13 PM, anupam chakravartty
> <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Aditya,
>>
>> I understand you are not spokesperson for PTI. I do not think PTI
>> would have been really pleased with you for posting a developing
>> story. More so, because I searched through PTI archives today as well,
>> I have not found the input that was posted by you. So if you could
>> kindly cooperate and state your sources here it would be very helpful.
>>
>> And I have stated why I doubt the claims made the news report in my
>> reply to Kshmendra's mail. Would definitely look forward to your reply
>> Aditya. I thank you again for sharing this with us. It speaks a lot
>> about the kind of news coming out of the valley.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Anupam
>>
>> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Anupam,
>> >
>> > I am not a spokesperson of Press Trust of India (PTI). Does that answer
>> your
>> > questions?
>> >
>> > I shared an important news item with the list; because I didn't want it
>> to
>> > be missed. How can you say I didn't follow the news; when it is me who
>> > shared it will the members here on Sarai!?!
>> >
>> > I think someone already has clarified your misconception or
>> 'contradiction'
>> > as you say. I don't think every time I am required to guide you.
>> >
>> > While you choose to not ignore 'trash'; you should as well refrain from
>> > spreading the same 'trash' and not waste our valuable time in useless
>> > discussion.
>> >
>> > thanks
>> >
>> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM, anupam chakravartty
>> > <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Aditya,
>> >>
>> >> It is unfortunate that you did not bother to follow an important news
>> >> that you had posted on this list. Very patiently I had read it and
>> >> pointed out some contradictions which you have not been able to
>> >> confirm. I am afraid I had to point out these facts because you cannot
>> >> say things like: '"trash' might just be of 'value' to someone else on
>> >> the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to ignore and not devalue
>> >> someone's contribution to the list by calling it names." I am sorry I
>> >> cannot follow your direction on choosing to ignore trash if you or
>> >> anyone posts it on this list.
>> >>
>> >> -Anupam
>> >>
>> >> On 2/18/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Dear Friends
>> >> >
>> >> > Something Shri Shuddhabrata Sengupta calls 'trash' might just be of
>> >> 'value'
>> >> > to someone else on the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to
>> ignore
>> >> and
>> >> > not devalue someone's contribution to the list by calling it names.
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope the words you preach gives you the patience to take criticism
>> >> > yourself which unfortunately you haven't been able to do.
>> >> >
>> >> > We are open to discussion, debate and criticism. But, how can we move
>> >> ahead
>> >> > ignoring the basic courtesy of 'freedom of one's opinion'. Or is it
>> >> > 'liberty' just for the moderators and not members of this forum.
>> >> >
>> >> > If the moderators only want their viewpoints to be followed, let them
>> >> enjoy
>> >> > and also please let me know so that I can back out and let one
>> >> > opinion
>> >> flow
>> >> > in the network.
>> >> >
>> >> > regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
>> >> > <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear Rakesh,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course the poem is trash. And of course any person with a taste
>> for
>> >> >> trash has the right to send trash on to the list. I am not at all
>> >> >> disputing
>> >> >> the right of any person to subject us to garbage. And of course we
>> >> should
>> >> >> read such things patiently. I always do.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But, the right to send trash on to the list comes with the
>> >> >> corresponding
>> >> >> obligation to be prepared to be criticised for having done so. That
>> is
>> >> the
>> >> >> responsibility that comes with practising the freedom of speech.  I
>> am
>> >> >> always open to be criticised on this list, provided the criticism is
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> defamatory or libel. I hope everyone else is as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> best
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Shuddha
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 17-Feb-10, at 5:29 PM, Rakesh Iyer wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The poem is a complete trash as it completely refuses to understand
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> Pakistanis are not of one kind and can't be brought under a single
>> >> >> umbrella
>> >> >> of being those who are responsible for perpetrating terrorism. At
>> >> >> the
>> >> same
>> >> >> time, we should be prepared and have the patience to read and hear
>> such
>> >> >> comments. Infact, it's not our mistake. Long back, when India had
>> >> >> chosen
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> path to be democratic, Nehru had said that India is for all. The end
>> >> >> result
>> >> >> is there for all to see. It's for all kinds of religious
>> >> >> fundamentalists
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> secular humanity-oriented people who are against each other. We are
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> nation
>> >> >> of extremes and variations. So nothing wrong in writing such poems
>> from
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> freedom of speech point of view.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But yes, the poem is a trash in terms of it's content, objectively.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rakesh
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>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >> >
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