[Reader-list] AMAN KI AASHA

[Shuddhabrata Sengupta]

Dear All,

Nobody denies, or has denied anyone, the right to purvey their brand  
of trash on this list. So long as what is being said is not  
defamatory, libelious, sexist, racist or homophobic. The list evolved  
a consensus on these matters a while ago.

So, to, insist that calling someone's opinion 'trash' is a violation  
of their (the trash purveyor's) right to free speech, is misleading,  
and disingenuous.

I have every intention of respecting everyone's freedom to purvey trash.

I have every intention of calling trash by its name when necessary.

The two intentions are not mutually contradictory.

My calling 'trash', trash, does not take away anyone's freedom to  
post trash.

Let's stay focused and not create, or be misled into creating, false  
martyrdoms, all over again.

best

Shuddha

On 18-Feb-10, at 1:30 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul wrote:

> Dear Friends
>
> Something Shri Shuddhabrata Sengupta calls 'trash' might just be of  
> 'value'
> to someone else on the list. Even if it isn't, you can choose to  
> ignore and
> not devalue someone's contribution to the list by calling it names.
>
> I hope the words you preach gives you the patience to take criticism
> yourself which unfortunately you haven't been able to do.
>
> We are open to discussion, debate and criticism. But, how can we  
> move ahead
> ignoring the basic courtesy of 'freedom of one's opinion'. Or is it
> 'liberty' just for the moderators and not members of this forum.
>
> If the moderators only want their viewpoints to be followed, let  
> them enjoy
> and also please let me know so that I can back out and let one  
> opinion flow
> in the network.
>
> regards
>
> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> <shuddha at sarai.net>wrote:
>
>> Dear Rakesh,
>>
>> Of course the poem is trash. And of course any person with a taste  
>> for
>> trash has the right to send trash on to the list. I am not at all  
>> disputing
>> the right of any person to subject us to garbage. And of course we  
>> should
>> read such things patiently. I always do.
>>
>> But, the right to send trash on to the list comes with the  
>> corresponding
>> obligation to be prepared to be criticised for having done so.  
>> That is the
>> responsibility that comes with practising the freedom of speech.   
>> I am
>> always open to be criticised on this list, provided the criticism  
>> is not
>> defamatory or libel. I hope everyone else is as well.
>>
>> best
>>
>> Shuddha
>>
>>
>> On 17-Feb-10, at 5:29 PM, Rakesh Iyer wrote:
>>
>> The poem is a complete trash as it completely refuses to  
>> understand that
>> all
>> Pakistanis are not of one kind and can't be brought under a single  
>> umbrella
>> of being those who are responsible for perpetrating terrorism. At  
>> the same
>> time, we should be prepared and have the patience to read and hear  
>> such
>> comments. Infact, it's not our mistake. Long back, when India had  
>> chosen
>> the
>> path to be democratic, Nehru had said that India is for all. The  
>> end result
>> is there for all to see. It's for all kinds of religious  
>> fundamentalists
>> and
>> secular humanity-oriented people who are against each other. We are a
>> nation
>> of extremes and variations. So nothing wrong in writing such poems  
>> from the
>> freedom of speech point of view.
>>
>> But yes, the poem is a trash in terms of it's content, objectively.
>>
>> Rakesh
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>
> -- 
> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
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> Blog: http://activistsdiary.blogspot.com/
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Shuddhabrata Sengupta
The Sarai Programme at CSDS
Raqs Media Collective
shuddha at sarai.net
www.sarai.net
www.raqsmediacollective.net