[Reader-list] "Return Hindu shrines to Dalits, Buddhists"

[Shashidhar]

Javed,

There you go again, mixing facts and theology and caste and religious
identity,

Fact 1 : - There is no god

Fact 2: - Futile to spend time on god

Fact 3: - No one knows history, it not science to be perfect and history is
always written by the victors, if for centuries xyz were powerful they were
right and ABC are wrong, ABC become strong they were heinously wronged in
the past and they were completely mis represented.

Fact 4: - Relax, you should reduce yourself to some religious identity,
trust me no one none alive, dead, comatose on this planet have seen, heard
or experienced god. God has and will always remain a human invention. 

Fact 5: -  We are all happy people are not dying, getting killed over some
land, ownership does not determine anything.

Fact 6: - Time can be better spent in scientific endeavours rather than
debating mandir masjid, this is only place where people are still talking
about it, 50 years of debate over the land and ayodhya continues to languish
as a 4th grade town without, schools, hospitals, parks or shopping malls, it
is history..

Peace

Shashi

-----Original Message-----
From: Javed [mailto:javedmasoo at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:35 AM
To: Shashidhar
Cc: sarai list
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Return Hindu shrines to Dalits, Buddhists"

Dear Shashi
You say science has proved there is no god, but you are still concerned
about the Hinduness of temples and neo-Buddhists. Why?

I did not conduct any research before posting this - I have only forwarded a
news item from the Daily Telegraph (its link is given at the bottom). The
problem is that I have a Muslim name, hence I shouldn't be making such a
comment (many people will kill me), but if you go beyond the wikipedia
knowlegde, you will come to know that Gautam Buddha could never be the
Dashavatara - he was himself agains all sorts of avataras and deities and
divinities. I don't need to read wikipedia to know this. It would be good to
ask the Dalits and neo-Buddhists if they think they are Hindus.

thanks

Javed


On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Shashidhar
<shashidhar at butterfliesindia.org> wrote:
> Javed
>
> All major hindu temples? Dalits and neo Buddhists are not hindus? 
> Hindus destroyed other hindu temples from sixth century BC to 13th 
> Century AD, Several Buddhist viharas were converted by placing hindu 
> idols ( where when how, one of the dashavtaras is Buddha, Read some 
> shankara you will know better)
>
> According to M.S. Jayaprakash, a historian, the temples at Tirupati,
Kashi, Sabarimala, Guruvayoor and Palani were once Buddhist temples.
> Even Swami Vivekananda had revealed that the Puri Jagannath temple was
originally a Buddhist temple, he said.
>
> Did you conduct any research before posting this.....
>
> Read about tirupati, Palani and guruvayoor on something as simple as
Wikipedia and you will know a lot more. There are about 1000 temples in
Kashi which one is Mr. JP talking about...
>
> Peace.
>
> There is no god, science has proved it, there is no god and people who
believe in the power of prayer are at best delusional, it is though not
correct to twist and turn history to suit our present delusions.
>
> Shashi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net 
> [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net] On Behalf Of Javed
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: sarai list
> Subject: [Reader-list] "Return Hindu shrines to Dalits, Buddhists"
>
> Before Hindus and Muslims can decide on this matter, the dalits or
neo-Buddhists may like to stake their claim, since they believe all major
Hindu temples have been built after destroying ancient Buddhist sites.
>
> Why didn't Mayawati think of building a memorial to Kanshi Ram on the
disputed Ayodhya site.
>
> ----
>
> Return Hindu shrines: Dalits
> OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
>
> New Delhi, Oct. 8: Call it the Babri verdict fallout: a group of Dalit
rights activists has decided to approach the government demanding that
Buddha and Jain viharas that have been converted to Hindu temples should be
returned to the original owners.
>
> The group, made up of Ambedkar followers, academics, advocates and
activists, has also decided to approach the Supreme Court with the demand.
>
> Several Buddha and Jain viharas were there in the country from sixth
century BC to 13th century AD, which were later converted into Hindu temples
by placing idols in them, the group said.
>
> Now that Allahabad High Court has given Hindus two-thirds of the land on
which Babri Masjid stood on the ground that there was a temple at the site
before the mosque was constructed, all those viharas should also be
returned, they argued.
>
> According to M.S. Jayaprakash, a historian, the temples at Tirupati,
Kashi, Sabarimala, Guruvayoor and Palani were once Buddhist temples.
> Even Swami Vivekananda had revealed that the Puri Jagannath temple was
originally a Buddhist temple, he said.
>
> Hundreds of Buddhist statues, stupas and viharas were destroyed in India
between AD 830 and AD 966 in the name of Hindu revivalism, Jayaprakash said.
Literary and archaeological sources within and outside India speak of this,
he added.
>
> Other members of the group include "Dalit Bandhu" N.K. Jose, Bhim Jayaraj
and Vijay Shekhar.
>
> The group is planning to meet BSP chief Mayavati. "We hope that Mayavati,
whose vote bank is largely made up of Dalits and neo-Buddhists, will be
receptive to the idea. The issue is both political and religious - a deadly
concoction which no politician can afford to neglect," said one activist.
>
> http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101009/jsp/nation/story_13037587.jsp
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