[Reader-list] Fw: Re: Why Kashmir defies solutions

[cashmeeri]

conversation on this with gowhar in FB group 'Moderate Voice of Jammu, Kashmir & Ladakh' (relevant portions)
 
aalok - 
i quite like the philosophy of what you have written as being a universally found dichotomy

i suggest it might not be fully applicable to the case in question

you seem to suggest that there are no kashmiris who do not subscribe to the 'separatist' agenda and none are more than willing to be a part of the institutions of the currently (non)functioning State .... in this case the police

that might not be factual

often in these discussions we seem to confuse between two distinct positions

in this group itself, like me, there are scores of members who find totally unacceptable the deaths that are taking place in kashmir and at the same time would swear by their indianness ..... the two are not mutually exclusive

similarly, in kashmir, is it incredulous that there are people who find "totally unacceptable the deaths that are taking place" and at the same time are more than willing to be part of the institutions of the State?

it would be incorrect to confuse between humanism and political-ideology 
 
gowhar-
I would argue those who are fully for separatism cannot actually live it without having to compromise their conscience nor can those who may seek integration live it without compromising their selves and beings. Neither can pursue livelihood without having to sell their souls to the devil. While this may be a global phenomenon, it is exacerbated by the particularly unresolved nature of our beings and circumstances. 

In my opinion there are no humanisms that exist in their pure form, in complete isolation and unsullied by political ideologies, except may be in the Platonian world of ideas.
 
aalok-
oh yes!!!! certainly!!!! as a generalised philosophical analysis, i completely agree with you

as Faiz said:

" duniya nay taeri yaad say baygaana karr diyaa
tujh say bhi dil-faraib hain gham rozgaar kay"
 
 
From: gowhar fazli <gowharfazili at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: Why Kashmir defies solutions
To: "reader-list at sarai.net" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 1:58 PM


> I don't like the heading "Why Kashmir
> defies solutions".
> 
> It is in these moments that the real desperation and loss
> of self of Kashmiris as a people becomes evident. For
> livelihood they have to stoop before the same institutions
> that torment them or that they abhor for obvious reasons.
> This contradiction that runs through their very selves,
> prevents people from acquiring a full blown human-hood. 
> 
> There should be no guilt or indignity associated with
> acquiring of livelihood through legitimate means, but this
> is the case one way or the other, for most people in
> Kashmir. The boundaries between legitimate and illegitimate
> are dizzyingly fuzzy because of the manner in which the
> selves are split.
> 
> If not for any other but for the indignities involved in
> the status quo that Kashmir issue should be resolved for
> good.
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/7/10, SJabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: SJabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Reader-list] Why Kashmir defies solutions
> > To: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 10:19 AM
> > Printed from
> > 
> > Khaki enemy? 60,000 Kashmiris apply for 3,000 police
> jobs
> > M Saleem Pandit, TNN, Sep 7, 2010, 01.30am IST
> > SRINAGAR: Despite reports of desertions in its ranks
> and
> > threats of social
> > boycott, J&K police has emerged as a big draw for
> young
> > job hunters in
> > employment-starved Kashmir. Ignoring calls by
> hardliners to
> > shun the khaki
> > force, nearly 60,000 men applied for less than 3,000
> jobs
> > in J&K police --
> > about 200 applicants for one constable's post.
> > 
> > The applications piled up over the last few months,
> about
> > the time when the
> > situation in the Valley appeared to be spinning out
> of
> > control with the cops
> > particularly being at the receiving end of public
> wrath.
> > 
> > J&K police DG Kuldeep Khoda said the department
> has
> > received 58,975
> > applications, against 2,786 vacancies across the
> Valley.
> > "The response from
> > (the worst-hit) Srinagar and Budgam districts was even
> more
> > heartening," he
> > said. "We've received 2,860 applications, against 529
> posts
> > in Srinagar
> > district, while 8053 against 283 in Budgam," he said.
> > 
> > Lack of jobs has been a big spur for the protests
> that
> > brought thousands of
> > young educated men on to the streets. Official
> estimates of
> > the number of
> > unemployed in the Valley stands at 3 lakhs.
> > 
> > Khoda told reporters the department held a
> recruitment
> > rally in Baramulla
> > district in July and was overwhelmed with the
> response.
> > "Over 8,000 people
> > turned up for 412 posts despite turmoil in the
> district,"
> > he said, and added
> > that even stone-pelters attended the rally. He said
> the
> > department was
> > mulling more on-the-spot recruitment drives across
> the
> > Valley, particularly
> > in Srinagar's downtown area to end the unrest.
> > 
> > The top cop rubbished reports on desertions and
> > insubordination. He claimed
> > no police personnel had quit since mid-June when
> Kashmir
> > erupted in anger
> > against the alleged staged encounter of three north
> Kashmir
> > youth and a
> > 17-year-old boy's killing in police action. Over 60
> people,
> > including women
> > and children, have died in police firing on
> protesters
> > since then.
> > 
> > State government sources said J&K CM Omar
> Abdullah, who
> > has called for a
> > proactive approach including the phased revocation of
> the
> > controversial
> > Armed Forces Special Forces Act to deal with street
> > protests, has ordered
> > creation of more police jobs to induct youth from the
> > troubled areas.
> > 
> > Meanwhile, in its ongoing drive to reach out to the
> people,
> > Kashmir range
> > IGP Kashmir, S M Sahai, attended police-public
> meetings in
> > Ganderbal and
> > Budgam districts. "At Ganderbal District Police
> Lines,
> > around 300 people
> > including senior citizens and sarpanchs participated,"
> a
> > police spokesman
> > said. "Sahai assured the people that police will
> adopt
> > maximum restraint
> > while dealing with law and order situations."
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